Yes, maybe, I read they tortured captive elves until they revealed their secrets - but you can't compare that to the situation nowadays. You don't have a city to lose anymore.

[ Sensitive as always, yes. But he is passionate about this. ]

Look, the Imperium has done terrible things to many people everywhere. But I don't want to learn powerful spells from you that can do something like that. [ Although it would be a cool bonus. ] I just want to understand magic the way you do. Real magic, not what the Chantry teaches us in the Circle.